{"id":63092,"date":"2024-02-19T14:28:08","date_gmt":"2024-02-19T05:28:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/?p=63092"},"modified":"2024-02-27T12:11:28","modified_gmt":"2024-02-27T03:11:28","slug":"illegal-posting-black-companies-in5ch","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/internet\/illegal-posting-black-companies-in5ch","title":{"rendered":"Post\u0103rile despre 'companiile negre' pe 5chan (fostul 2chan) constituie def\u0103imare?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>La biroul nostru, am ob\u021binut o hot\u0103r\u00e2re judec\u0103toreasc\u0103 care stabile\u0219te c\u0103 post\u0103rile pe 5chan (fostul 2chan) cu privire la companii, sub titlul &#8220;Chiar \u0219i \u00een interior sunt negre&#8221;, sunt ilegale.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Exist\u0103 o dezbatere continu\u0103 cu privire la legalitatea def\u0103im\u0103rii companiilor prin etichetarea lor ca &#8220;companii negre&#8221;, \u0219i dac\u0103 este posibil s\u0103 se identifice autorul post\u0103rii prin \u0219tergere, dezv\u0103luirea IP-ului, dezv\u0103luirea numelui \u0219i adresei etc. De exemplu,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>Aceast\u0103 companie este o companie neagr\u0103, cu ore suplimentare de serviciu care dep\u0103\u0219esc \u00een medie 100 de ore pe lun\u0103.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Dac\u0103 se scriu fapte clare \u0219i specifice, cum ar fi cele de mai sus, \u0219i dac\u0103 exist\u0103 minciuni \u00een aceste &#8220;fapte specifice&#8221;, \u00een acest caz, &#8220;orele suplimentare de serviciu dep\u0103\u0219esc \u00een medie 100 de ore pe lun\u0103&#8221;, atunci postarea este ilegal\u0103. Probabil c\u0103 nu exist\u0103 prea mult spa\u021biu pentru dezbatere \u00een aceast\u0103 problem\u0103.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cens\u0103, \u00een cazul post\u0103rilor care fac afirma\u021bii mai abstracte, cum ar fi &#8220;Aceast\u0103 companie este neagr\u0103&#8221;,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>aceasta este aproape de o opinie personal\u0103, deci nu este ilegal\u0103<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>dac\u0103 nu se scriu detalii specifice, cum ar fi orele suplimentare, problema este una de insult\u0103, nu de def\u0103imare, \u0219i este \u00eentr-o oarecare m\u0103sur\u0103 acceptabil\u0103 \u00een societate<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Existau \u0219i astfel de opinii.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cens\u0103, chiar \u0219i cu afirma\u021bia &#8220;Chiar \u0219i \u00een interior sunt negre&#8221;, aceasta este (cel pu\u021bin \u00een anumite cazuri) o def\u0103imare, conform hot\u0103r\u00e2rii judec\u0103tore\u0219ti. Detalii mai jos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_53 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><\/span><\/div>\n<nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/internet\/illegal-posting-black-companies-in5ch\/#Conditiile_pentru_stabilirea_defaimarii\" title=\"Condi\u021biile pentru stabilirea def\u0103im\u0103rii\">Condi\u021biile pentru stabilirea def\u0103im\u0103rii<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/internet\/illegal-posting-black-companies-in5ch\/#Este_defaimatoare_postarea_%E2%80%9Ecompanie_neagra%E2%80%9D_referitoare_la_o_companie\" title=\"Este def\u0103im\u0103toare postarea \u201ecompanie neagr\u0103\u201d referitoare la o companie?\">Este def\u0103im\u0103toare postarea \u201ecompanie neagr\u0103\u201d referitoare la o companie?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/internet\/illegal-posting-black-companies-in5ch\/#Rezumatul_cazului_legat_de_5channel_fostul_2channel\" title=\"Rezumatul cazului legat de 5channel (fostul 2channel) \">Rezumatul cazului legat de 5channel (fostul 2channel) <\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/internet\/illegal-posting-black-companies-in5ch\/#%E2%80%9CChiar_si_in_interior_este_negru%E2%80%9D_constituie_defaimare\" title=\"&#8220;Chiar \u0219i \u00een interior este negru&#8221; constituie def\u0103imare\">&#8220;Chiar \u0219i \u00een interior este negru&#8221; constituie def\u0103imare<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/internet\/illegal-posting-black-companies-in5ch\/#Se_crede_ca_este_similar_si_pe_2channel_2chsc_si_pe_site-urile_de_copiere\" title=\"Se crede c\u0103 este similar \u0219i pe 2channel (2ch.sc) \u0219i pe site-urile de copiere\">Se crede c\u0103 este similar \u0219i pe 2channel (2ch.sc) \u0219i pe site-urile de copiere<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-6\" href=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/internet\/illegal-posting-black-companies-in5ch\/#Concluzie\" title=\"Concluzie\">Concluzie<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Conditiile_pentru_stabilirea_defaimarii\"><\/span>Condi\u021biile pentru stabilirea def\u0103im\u0103rii<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen primul r\u00e2nd, def\u0103imarea, pe scurt, este stabilit\u0103 atunci c\u00e2nd sunt \u00eendeplinite toate urm\u0103toarele condi\u021bii:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol>\n<li>Este descris un fapt concret<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Acesta aduce prejudicii p\u0103r\u021bii reclamante (individ sau companie) (reducerea evalu\u0103rii sociale)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Acesta este fals (\u0219i nu exist\u0103 niciun motiv rezonabil de a crede c\u0103 este adev\u0103rat)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Detalii despre cerin\u021bele pentru stabilirea def\u0103im\u0103rii sunt explicate \u00een detaliu \u00een articolul de mai jos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/reputation\/defamation\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/monolith.law\/reputation\/defamation[ja]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Este_defaimatoare_postarea_%E2%80%9Ecompanie_neagra%E2%80%9D_referitoare_la_o_companie\"><\/span>Este def\u0103im\u0103toare postarea \u201ecompanie neagr\u0103\u201d referitoare la o companie?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/pixta_39608289_M-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2900\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Care sunt cazurile \u00een care postarea \u201ecompanie neagr\u0103\u201d poate fi considerat\u0103 def\u0103im\u0103toare?<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen cazul post\u0103rilor care eticheteaz\u0103 o companie ca fiind \u201eneagr\u0103\u201d, cea mai mare problem\u0103 este punctul 1. A\u0219a cum am explicat deja,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>Termenul \u201eneagr\u0103\u201d nu este concret, deci cel mult ar putea fi o problem\u0103 de insult\u0103 (dar pentru a evita ca orice insult\u0103 minor\u0103 s\u0103 devin\u0103 ilegal\u0103, o anumit\u0103 m\u0103sur\u0103 de critic\u0103 este permis\u0103 social)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Termenul \u201eneagr\u0103\u201d este o problem\u0103 de opinie personal\u0103, iar cazurile \u00een care devine ilegal sunt aproape inexistente<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Au existat \u0219i alte opinii de acest gen. Detalii despre acestea pot fi g\u0103site \u00eentr-un alt articol.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/reputation\/black-companies-dafamation\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/monolith.law\/reputation\/black-companies-dafamation[ja]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Rezumatul_cazului_legat_de_5channel_fostul_2channel\"><\/span>Rezumatul cazului legat de 5channel (fostul 2channel) <span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Acest caz implic\u0103 o companie care a fost descris\u0103 pe un fir de discu\u021bii 5channel (fostul 2channel) ca fiind &#8220;negru pe interior&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen general, cazurile de def\u0103imare pe 5channel (fostul 2channel) se desf\u0103\u0219oar\u0103 dup\u0103 urm\u0103toarele proceduri:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol>\n<li>\u00cen primul r\u00e2nd, se solicit\u0103 \u0219tergerea \u0219i dezv\u0103luirea adresei IP prin negocieri extrajudiciare sau m\u0103suri provizorii<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Dac\u0103 adresa IP este dezv\u0103luit\u0103, se solicit\u0103 dezv\u0103luirea numelui \u0219i adresei postatorului \u00een instan\u021b\u0103<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Decizia din acest caz a fost \u00een dou\u0103 etape.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Detalii despre acest proces sunt explicate \u00eentr-un alt articol.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/reputation\/deletionrequest-for-2chand5ch\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/monolith.law\/reputation\/deletionrequest-for-2chand5ch[ja]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/reputation\/disclosure-of-the-senders-information\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/monolith.law\/reputation\/disclosure-of-the-senders-information[ja]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;Decizia&#8221; se refer\u0103 la cea dintr-un proces formal \u0219i este luat\u0103 \u00een considerare pe baza unei evalu\u0103ri juridice riguroase.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"%E2%80%9CChiar_si_in_interior_este_negru%E2%80%9D_constituie_defaimare\"><\/span>&#8220;Chiar \u0219i \u00een interior este negru&#8221; constituie def\u0103imare<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen acest caz, instan\u021ba a f\u0103cut urm\u0103toarea decizie:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>Privind acest thread, este evident c\u0103 post\u0103rile p\u00e2n\u0103 la articolul 1 al acestui caz con\u021bin (omis) referiri la mediul intern al reclamantului \u0219i (omis) sunt amestecate. <br> Prin urmare, dac\u0103 citi\u021bi articolul 1 al acestui caz, care a fost postat dup\u0103 post\u0103rile de mai sus, pe baza aten\u021biei \u0219i interpret\u0103rii obi\u0219nuite ale cititorului obi\u0219nuit, este natural s\u0103 citi\u021bi c\u0103 &#8220;interiorul&#8221; men\u021bionat \u00een articolul 1 al acestui caz se refer\u0103 la (omis) interiorul reclamantului, \u0219i articolul 1 al acestui caz este recunoscut ca indic\u00e2nd faptul c\u0103 mediul de munc\u0103 al reclamantului este o a\u0219a-numit\u0103 companie neagr\u0103 (omis) cu condi\u021bii de munc\u0103 proaste. <br> (omis) <br> \u00cen acest sens, p\u00e2r\u00e2tul (omis) sus\u021bine c\u0103 &#8220;negru&#8221; are mai multe sensuri \u0219i nu scade evaluarea social\u0103. Cu toate acestea, av\u00e2nd \u00een vedere c\u0103 articolul 1 al acestui caz a fost postat dup\u0103 post\u0103rile care men\u021bioneaz\u0103 mediul de munc\u0103 al reclamantului, este rezonabil s\u0103 se considere c\u0103 se refer\u0103 la a\u0219a-numita companie neagr\u0103, astfel \u00eenc\u00e2t argumentul p\u00e2r\u00e2tului nu poate fi acceptat. <br><\/p>\n<cite> Sentin\u021ba Tribunalului Districtual Tokyo, 18 iulie, Reiwa 1 (2019) <\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Acest thread este despre reclamant, care este o companie, iar postarea &#8220;Chiar \u0219i \u00een interior este negru&#8221; a fost r\u0103spunsul num\u0103rul 62. \u0218i p\u00e2n\u0103 atunci, \u00een post\u0103rile au existat:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>R\u0103spunsul num\u0103rul 5, care a spus c\u0103 este imposibil ca \u0219eful s\u0103 fie minunat \u00een r\u0103spuns la o postare care spunea c\u0103 \u0219eful este minunat<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>R\u0103spunsul num\u0103rul 11, care a spus c\u0103 ar fi mai bine s\u0103 nu te al\u0103turi companiei<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen alte cuvinte,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul>\n<li>Nu exist\u0103 post\u0103ri &#8220;concrete&#8221; la nivelul &#8220;orele suplimentare de serviciu dep\u0103\u0219esc \u00een medie 100 de ore pe lun\u0103&#8221;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Nu este neap\u0103rat r\u0103spunsul imediat anterior, ci o discu\u021bie despre o alt\u0103 postare \u00een acela\u0219i thread<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Este.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cens\u0103 instan\u021ba a decis c\u0103, chiar \u0219i a\u0219a,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol>\n<li>A fost un thread despre reclamant<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A fost un thread \u00een care au fost amestecate r\u0103spunsuri care discutau despre mediul de munc\u0103 ca tem\u0103<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u00cen acest caz, este normal s\u0103 citi\u021bi afirma\u021bia &#8220;Chiar \u0219i \u00een interior este negru&#8221; ca \u00eensemn\u00e2nd c\u0103 reclamantul este o companie neagr\u0103<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u0218i asta constituie def\u0103imare (dac\u0103 exist\u0103 dovezi c\u0103 mediul de munc\u0103 al reclamantului nu este prost \u0219i nu este adev\u0103rat)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Asta a fost decizia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Se_crede_ca_este_similar_si_pe_2channel_2chsc_si_pe_site-urile_de_copiere\"><\/span>Se crede c\u0103 este similar \u0219i pe 2channel (2ch.sc) \u0219i pe site-urile de copiere<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Aceast\u0103 hot\u0103r\u00e2re, \u00een cele din urm\u0103,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol>\n<li>\u00cen cadrul unui thread de pe forum, unde existau \u0219i r\u0103spunsuri legate de mediul de munc\u0103<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Dac\u0103 se spune &#8220;negru&#8221; \u00een acest context, \u00eenseamn\u0103 o companie &#8220;neagr\u0103&#8221;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u0218i asta (dup\u0103 cum s-a men\u021bionat mai sus) constituie def\u0103imare<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Este o decizie care judec\u0103 \u00een acest sens.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nu numai pe 5channel (fostul 2channel), dar \u0219i pe 2channel (2ch.sc), pe site-urile de copiere, pe site-urile de rezumat, pe Bakusai, jpnumber, telnavi etc., pe alte site-uri de forumuri unde se creeaz\u0103 pagini (thread-uri) care discut\u0103 despre anumite companii, este foarte probabil s\u0103 se ajung\u0103 la o decizie similar\u0103.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/monolith.law\/reputation\/delation-of-scraping-site-roundup-website\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/monolith.law\/reputation\/delation-of-scraping-site-roundup-website[ja]<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Concluzie\"><\/span>Concluzie<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>C\u00e2nd o companie este etichetat\u0103 ca fiind &#8220;neagr\u0103&#8221;, este natural s\u0103 interpret\u0103m c\u0103 aceasta este o companie &#8220;neagr\u0103&#8221;, iar cel care posteaz\u0103, se presupune c\u0103 \u00een\u021belege acest lucru \u0219i scrie \u00een consecin\u021b\u0103. Pentru o companie, a fi numit\u0103 &#8220;neagr\u0103&#8221; este insuportabil \u0219i are un impact negativ asupra recrut\u0103rii.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00cen acest sens, de\u0219i aceast\u0103 decizie poate fi considerat\u0103 &#8220;evident\u0103&#8221;, putem spune c\u0103 def\u0103imarea unei companii prin etichetarea acesteia ca &#8220;neagr\u0103&#8221; a fost considerat\u0103 ilegal\u0103, chiar \u0219i \u00een condi\u021biile men\u021bionate mai sus.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>La biroul nostru, am ob\u021binut o hot\u0103r\u00e2re judec\u0103toreasc\u0103 care stabile\u0219te c\u0103 post\u0103rile pe 5chan (fostul 2chan) cu privire la companii, sub titlul &#8220;Chiar \u0219i \u00een interior sunt negre&#8221;, sunt ilega [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":32,"featured_media":64156,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[17],"tags":[21,41],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/63092"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/32"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=63092"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/63092\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":64157,"href":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/63092\/revisions\/64157"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/64156"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=63092"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=63092"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/monolith.law\/ro\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=63092"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}